Balancer Test Results!!

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Re: Balancer Test Results!!

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The one thing I should point it, was during that test, the add process for new players was broken, new player added to even teams always went to red (Balancer or not). That's since been fixed by snarf.

The hardest part is there's no data in the stats about whether balancer was on or off, so I had to track dates manually. We could run it again, turn the balancer off for a week and retest. I saved the queries -- (the stats DB data model is bit convoluted -- mostly because it crams all the gametypes into common fields).

However, I think today, I'll put the KnownPlayers multipliers back on and see.
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Re: Balancer Test Results!!

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Just curious, because I haven't really kept up well enough, but what exactly is being multiplied? Did we get rid of map specific scores, or is that turned on? Or is it multiplying the player's average pph?

Or I guess the better question is how is the balancer scoring/ranking players currently?
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Re: Balancer Test Results!!

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Right now ( and correct me snarf) I think we turned off Map Specific PPH. So its just your average PPH. I actually think that's better because you can have a map where you mino whore, or levi whore and it will up your average a bit vs. really skew your PPH on that map (TAL in the ION is a good example).

So average PPH is multiplied. Top players get 1.3 - 1.1 multipliers based on rankings roughly from here: https://www.omnipotents.com/utstats/onsrankings.php

So say Enyo at 387.7 and leon 391 would be 504 (enyo) and 508 (leon) it really means that someone won't move up easily to the top rankings, recall balancer does top pair splitting to each team. The few top players usually will need several upper lower level players to counter (if that makes sense)... meaning maybe me and snarf = 1 enyo/leon.
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Re: Balancer Test Results!!

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Here's the balancer from MB tonight:

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EvenMatchDebug: SolidState 223.73 PPH, currently on Blue
EvenMatchDebug: BIG_FloPPies 244.00 PPH, currently on Red
EvenMatchDebug: PhRoZeN 186.25 PPH, currently on Blue
EvenMatchDebug: Anonymous 531.07 PPH, currently on Red
EvenMatchDebug: SlavaUkraini 271.18 PPH, currently on Blue
EvenMatchDebug: Super_Sanka 279.71 PPH, currently on Red
EvenMatchDebug: p)o(Oty 347.09 PPH, currently on Red
EvenMatchDebug: Eny)o( 579.38 PPH, currently on Blue
EvenMatchDebug: <{CTC}>MikeFiend 355.12 PPH, currently on Red
EvenMatchDebug: svauser 218.01 PPH, currently on Blue
EvenMatchDebug: 11 players, combined PPH 3720.77, balance target PPH per team 1860.39
EvenMatchDebug: Balancing team sizes and PPH...
EvenMatchDebug: Assigning Eny)o( (579.38 PPH) and Anonymous (531.07 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Eny)o( will be on red (now 579.38 PPH), Anonymous will be on blue (now 531.07 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Assigning leon (485.24 PPH) and <{CTC}>MikeFiend (355.12 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: leon will be on blue (now 1016.31 PPH), <{CTC}>MikeFiend will be on red (now 934.49 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Assigning p)o(Oty (347.09 PPH) and Super_Sanka (279.71 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: p)o(Oty will be on red (now 1281.58 PPH), Super_Sanka will be on blue (now 1296.02 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Assigning SlavaUkraini (271.18 PPH) and BIG_FloPPies (244.00 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: SlavaUkraini will be on red (now 1552.77 PPH), BIG_FloPPies will be on blue (now 1540.02 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Assigning SolidState (223.73 PPH) and svauser (218.01 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: SolidState will be on blue (now 1763.75 PPH), svauser will be on red (now 1770.78 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Odd player count, Red has higher PPH, assigning PhRoZeN to blue (186.25 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Red team size 5, combined PPH 1770.78
EvenMatchDebug: Blue team size 6, combined PPH 1950.00
Red got destroyed there on MB


And Valarna

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EvenMatchDebug: Balancing team sizes and PPH...
EvenMatchDebug: Assigning Eny)o( (587.79 PPH) and Anonymous (543.16 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Eny)o( will be on red (now 587.79 PPH), Anonymous will be on blue (now 543.16 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Assigning leon (512.59 PPH) and Hector_Salamanca (387.49 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: leon will be on blue (now 1055.76 PPH), Hector_Salamanca will be on red (now 975.29 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Assigning p)o(Oty (344.49 PPH) and Super_Sanka (336.55 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: p)o(Oty will be on red (now 1319.78 PPH), Super_Sanka will be on blue (now 1392.31 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Assigning Cornbread (257.46 PPH) and SlavaUkraini (233.09 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Cornbread will be on red (now 1577.24 PPH), SlavaUkraini will be on blue (now 1625.39 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Assigning WïÜè (198.67 PPH) and svauser (173.11 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: WïÜè will be on red (now 1775.91 PPH), svauser will be on blue (now 1798.50 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Odd player count, Blue has higher PPH, assigning PhRoZeN to red (158.38 PPH)
EvenMatchDebug: Red team size 6, combined PPH 1934.29
EvenMatchDebug: Blue team size 5, combined PPH 1798.50
EvenMatchDebug: Applying team changes...
EvenMatchDebug: Moving Eny)o( to red
EvenMatchDebug: Moving Hector_Salamanca to red
EvenMatchDebug: Moving WïÜè to red
EvenMatchDebug: Moving leon to blue
EvenMatchDebug: Moving svauser to blue
Red ultimately won Valarna.
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Re: Balancer Test Results!!

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You can't account for beer! :D
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Re: Balancer Test Results!!

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Yeah map specific pph is not used anymore. It's still recorded though.
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I think we all agree: whatever team I join immediately becomes the #1 team in the world.
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