Most of these nerf threads seem to be aimed at me and anon it feels like. TC, Odin,Helix, lasers etc. Think 5 straight vehicle nerfs including Arbiter
Yes and no. Yes - You two have particularly good aim, and with the high powered lasers, people on foot pretty much get instagibbed. Now if its a shit stain manning the laser, not so much.
No - Even those with halfway decent aim more less instagib foot soliders... Having lasers that someone can do 250 pts pretty much kills most raptor times ~1-1.5s.... and you don't have to aim/lead with a projectile (ie. tank shell).
The Arbiter didn't really get nerfed other than health, and hitscan/railtank from a flyer that does 400 pts is a bit OP, especially because if you're in another flyer you'll never see what killed you...
Many of the other changes were range standardization... no fun getting minigunned from the helix when your avirls won't reach, your shock rifle won't hit etc. Or the Omega, that could Ion blast you and nothing would hit it except Mino Lasers (and GII minigun) -- both those had ridiculous ranges....
I'd happily nerf the Mino (Omnitaur) but people love it. Huge splash damage. We have the Classic Mino which has same damage except very little splash....much better IMO. But its fine on some maps... Basic Minus the Minotaur, IMO is just fine.
You guys all picking on Perseus... I remember when many hated on it as useless. And if you think its 8000 health is much, try the Kraken with 10000 (basically Tiamat is 5000 health Kraken). And Perseus has been that way since Wormbo coded it a decade ago, and its weapons are pretty weak compared to most MAS -- and its only on a few maps.
Perseus aside, most of the vehicles aren't too bad. You can kill most of them with hand held weapons with a bit of skill (like landing on the top turret of the tank). Big and slow usually has lots of health, and they are easy targets.
Also should fix the link nuke to not do damage to enemies.
I don't think so. Its still a nuke. And you have to carry ONE, and deliver it (can be denied). If the enemies don't die, simply stepping on the node denies the link nuke making it kind of useless in the middle of a fight. But I could be convinced otherwise....
I'm down to play stock maps like artic stronghold without the custom vehicles but again, it never gets enough votes to go through.
They are there, and many maps have custom vehicles just not in the quantity as the Minus/JY randomizers that get played too much.
I'll encourage a bit of admin choice to play some less OP/spammy maps. If you notice most of the newer maps aren't like that... much more toned down.
And I'll say remember before all this work Snarf and I have put in, there were lots of OP stuff Kraken, Tiamat, Perseus, Omnitaur, Bio Tank, Bio Badger, 900 pt ion badgers, Original Falcon doing like 300pts/second. With all the goofy ranges, damage all over the map -- we've been cleaning it all up --- its years of sloppy code, some broken (fire tank's code was broken in several areas). (no offense to any original coders out there, Wormbo was decent, but much of it was messy). This is the next step, as you've seen for the last couple of years is to bring the balance to the various vehicles, so they have strengths and weakness, and there isn't one all dominant vehicle. (Hint Perseus can be flipped -- Spank badger nullifies it pretty quick
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So back to your original question, its not just you, its Anon, You, Enyo, Leon, GTKU, top players with vehicles that do tremendous hitscan damage make it frustrating for those that aren't as good, you can't even team up...if the minigun/lasers drops you <1s, just get picked off.
Better players expose the OP shit much more dramatically so thank you for that!
Overall, I'd like to nerf a ton of stuff, rather have BATTLES, than oneshots.
