Someone went all Junkyard, Forest Junkyard

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Re: Someone went all Junkyard, Forest Junkyard

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Thank you for the feedback -- wish more would pipe up! This feedback is necessary to help tweak the maps especially from real world play.

I'll take a look later and post up the actual mix and tweak it if needed. I agree this should be more flyers than DJY, and not quite so OP as AJY. But there's still the "randomizer effect" where even at 50/50 or such, you might not get a flyer. So far the capability we have is: Make randomizer spawns at a node ALL flyers, or use standalone random factory to generate a flyer (fixed, random or a list) -- but those don't match on each side unless single vehicle. And we could add one or two depending -- I'd prefer that. In fact, one the randomizers I think a number of fixed spawns is a good thing! (We have those on Minus, you always get a Mino, always get a Wraith on the roof, and several other maps have it as well. I think that's a good thing to help balance out the complete "randomness".

Getting OP flyers are the middle nodes unbalances the map and makes the comebacks too hard, eg. Dragon/Omega/Aurora camping above the trees over 6/8 makes taking that nearly impossible. So the thought was to remove the really potent flyers from middle nodes -- you can still get them at cores and primaries. Might be able to adjust the points.

Just trying to balance this map between DJY and AJY.

This is probably one of the hardest, trickiest parts of doing the maps, and part of the reason we've slowed the roll of new stuff.... to work out the kinks first.

So question would you rather have Raptor/Manta/NodeRunner or GoliathII? Or some scorpion? Or a Truck? I'll look at making some more of the Ground vehicles unique (one spawn per side) which means you should get more flyers.

And one thing on 50/50 mix, vehicles are point weighted, so even if its half flyers and half tanks, doesn't mean always a 50/50 split. For example, a Falcon (and rightly so) is worth more than GoliathII, most Trucks, and badgers. So depending on points you'll see more "cheaper" vehicles than expensive ones -- which is why many of the cheaper flyers are there... so you at least you get the Raptor instead of a Bender.

Maybe the next randomizer map should be much less Random, say if there's average of 4 vehicles per spawn, 2 are fixed and 2 are random... so overall the map is less random -- still has that element but you don't get a shit show loadout.
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Re: Someone went all Junkyard, Forest Junkyard

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So I took a quick pass during my lunch break for V3 (On Server).
I didn't remove any flyers in V2, except the OP ones at certain nodes. You can still get many other flyers. That's the luck of of the Rando, you might get flyer heavy, might not.
Let me amend that, sorry getting AJY and FJY confused on my brain. No Aurora (does have skyminer so pretty close), No Dragon, No Omega, No Starbolt, No YJWasp, No GPolice Venom in the Regular mix. No flyer exclusions on nodes.

However the fixed spawns (two raptor type, one Dual at each core) can get Aurora, YJWasp, etc, Dual can get wraith, Dragon, predator, draco. But the problem here is both sides might not get the same. I am going to revisit that later today. I think one spawn point will be high powered flyers (eg Falcon, Aurora, YJWasp, Ifrit) and the other will be less flyers (WaspII, FlareRaptor, Havoc etc (no plain raptor here). And then perhaps add the lesser fixed flyer spawn to the 1/2 primary so you'll always get at least one flyer there to 7/10.

So worst case this gets you three core flyers and one primary flyer and its likely you'll get 1-3 more at the core per the mix. And likely at least one at the nodes...less likely to get them at 3/9 due to the lower point values there.

Mix has 79 vehicles.
Flyers: 20
Manta/Hover: 6
Ground: Balance of Tanks/Trucks. However 37 are unique so that changes the probabilies as once picked won't get picked again. I went through and picked most of the heavy anti-air to be unique (eg. Hurriance, Armadillo, FireTank) that is things with lasers.

I added back in regular mix Wraith, Predator, Arbiter, LinkFlyer and Phoenix. I don't think any of those are too OP.

Now before you say wait its only 25%/75% flyers... .. many of the ground vehicles unique... and most of the flyers NOT unique, meaning if you get say Heavy Tank, it won't spawn elsewhere.

So net result, more flyers.
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Re: Someone went all Junkyard, Forest Junkyard

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Thanks pooty, appreciate the updates!
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